In Part 5 of his 1967 document “The Answer,” John describes the Android bases, complete with a flow chart of their chain of command. For those of you coming to this just now, let me add that it’s a private file that John assembled from his interviews with contactees. It should be read as a phase in his early development, superseded by later research, and as a summary of contactee beliefs. Please don’t take it as representative of his later thinking, or as a reliable guide to Androids!
You mention that this document, The Answer, is assembled from interviews with contactees and should be seen as a summary of contactee beliefs. But in the document Keel explicitly claims to have met with these beings face to face. “These were not telepathic communications or any such nonsense”, says Keel, ” but were face-to-face confrontations. I asked for, and received, proof of many of the things in these series.” Do you feel, then, that Keel himself should be seen as a contactee?
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 8:15 am
Maybe so! It’s a bit of a puzzle to me. On the cover of “The Answer,” John notes “Explanations and documentation are in the ‘Special Cases’ file.” And most of the claims in “The Answer” come directly from Jaye Paro and Apol. But all of his interactions with Apol and Paro’s other contacts are through her: even when she claims Apol is in the room with her, he won’t speak with John on the phone, and John’s correspondence with Apol is all through Paro. Nowhere in the file does he say he met any of the “Androids” face to face. In the phone call he transcribed in “The Strange Case of the Pregnant Woman” (http://www.johnkeel.com/?p=1968), the contactee Helen describes many strange events in the room, and he hears people and noises, but only talks with her. So when and where did he meet the Androids? And why isn’t it mentioned in the file this is based on? As I said, it’s a bit of a puzzle!
Comment by Doug — September 30, 2021 @ 9:44 am
Thanks for your answer, Doug.
In an interview in 2013 Brad Steiger recounted a conversation he had with Keel in his apartment:
“Keel wanted to discuss the MIB at greater length, and he suggested that we adjourn to his apartment. Once we had arrived, he got right to the point. He believed that the entities who were harassing him were more than human and that it was unlikely that they were extraterrestrials because of the peculiar abilities which they had demonstrated.
According to Keel, after he had suffered mysterious telephone calls and was made aware that a seemingly all-knowing “someone” had him always under surveillance, “they” arrived one night in his apartment. They didn’t bother with the door. Suddenly three men simply manifested before him. Keel recalled that their behavior alternated between acting buffoonish to that of assuming “tough guy” personas as they threatened him to cease all of his research into the UFO phenomena.
After around a half an hour of cacophony of threats and behavior suggestive of the Three Stooges, one of them asked Keel if he wanted a demonstration of their alien abilities. When Keel shrugged, “why not,” one of them went to his kitchen sink, pulled out a bottle of bleach from its cabinet, and took several swallows of the liquid, then handed the bottle to one of his companions, who, in turn, passed it to the third member of the strange trio.
Keel said that they took their turn with the bottle of deadly liquid until the bottle was empty. In his opinion, the beings were most likely paraphysical, for he could not imagine any physical beings who could drink bleach. Unless, of course, they were physical beings of an entirely different composition than we humans.
While I found Keel’s account difficult to comprehend, he seemed completely honest and forthright with his account of the extraordinary encounters with the strange beings. As we discussed his bizarre visitors at greater length, I could tell that Keel was beginning to lean more toward the belief that rather than extraterrestrials threatening those who chose to delve into the UFO enigma, it was humankind’s ancient supernatural enemies harassing us in more modern guises of beings from other planets. He had, it appeared to me, begun to think in terms of demonic interference for what endgame goal remained unclear.”
If the late Brad Steiger’s memories were correct it looks like Keel really did confront something. Maybe he felt the story was too wild to publish.
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 10:23 am
I’m having trouble commenting. It’s there a length limit for comments?
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 10:26 am
I’ll try again.
In an interview in 2013 Brad Steiger recounted a conversation Keel had in his apartment. Three men appeared and alternated between acting bufoonish and tough, at one moment drinking bleach from his kitchen. They wanted him to stop investigating UFOs. He told Steiger he felt the phenomenon was more demonic rather than extraterrestrial.
He did stop investigating UFOs. By the way, if those men had access to his apartment they could have replaced his bleach with something more drinkable.
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 11:17 am
I should mention that when I said “appeared” I mean they didn’t use the door, they just appeared. They stayed more than half an hour. You can read more about it Garches .
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 11:40 am
Here https://ms-my.facebook.com/Brad.Steiger.Author/posts/an-interview-with-brad-steigerby-brent-raynes-the-many-guises-of-the-other-john-/623752421022991/
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 11:42 am
Now I’m embarrassed of all this comments of mine. The long one symply wouldn’t appear. And now it’s there! I apologize.
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 12:12 pm
Your comments went into the trash for some reason. Maybe one of the words triggered the spam filter, which sometimes happens. At any rate, I restored your comment. It’s interesting (to me, anyway) that the story of drinking bleach reappears in “The Case of the Pregnant Woman,” except there it’s ammonia: http://www.johnkeel.com/?p=1994
Comment by Doug — September 30, 2021 @ 12:14 pm
They sure liked the trick of drinking poison! I find it amusing that they engaged in something like a magic trick and Keel was into stage magic.
A lot of what the entities do has a staged quality to it. Easily faked things like drinking cleaning fluid and screwing with the phones. Much of the rest is people looking for coincidences, like Keel finding “John” written in that Gideon Bible and thinking it’s a message for him. One in thirty men is named John. The entities also lie a lot.
I feel there is a real phenomenon, but it might be much more limited —and more human— than we think.
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 12:42 pm
“John” is also a book of the Bible, which may be relevant in this context… The business of drinking poison also has religious overtones; some Christian sects drink poison to show their faith, since “if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them” (Mark 16:18).
Since all the reports of these phenomena come from humans, they’re inseparable from human perception and interpretation. All we really have are stories, but fortunately stories can be very interesting.
Comment by Doug — September 30, 2021 @ 5:37 pm
What a good point, I hadn’t thought of that. By drinking poison and surviving they want to be seen as special, chosen, of God.
Somewhere here they identify themselves as “The Very Good People”. That seems to be an allusion to the Sleagh Maith or the Good People in Robert Kirk’s The Secret Commonwealth, a book about a subterranean race that inspired the legends of fairies, fauns and elves. Once again the phenomenon seems to point underground.
Comment by Mestiere — September 30, 2021 @ 6:39 pm
200 androids on Long Island. Hmmm. I grew up here and still live here, and I can assure you, none of them looked like the android women Kirk encountered on Star Trek. I’m sorry, Doug, I couldn’t resist.
Again, I thank you for posting all this, because this didn’t make its way into Mothman Prophecies or Operation Trojan Horse or The Eighth Tower or any of John’s books. I have no explanation for the ‘bleach’ encounter, but I sometimes wonder, and this is not a knock, if his nightmares might have been merging with reality in late 1967 (obviously we don’t know the time frame of this encounter). He was worn out from dealing with alleged MIB, telephone company problems, financial worries, etc. and on a personal level, he seemed very worried about the people in West Virginia, and certainly he seemed to be concerned about Jaye.
Comment by J.P. Pelzman — October 1, 2021 @ 5:25 am
Jaye may have had other, more grandiose ideas, but I think he did feel like a big brother to her and was concerned.
Comment by J.P. Pelzman — October 1, 2021 @ 5:27 am
There is a disturbance perhaps via soundwaves, a sense of something which is not right beneath the senses to note. Beyond this, beneath what one may make, there are unnatural sounds from an unknown source. One may see things with their eyes opened or closed which feel out of place. A disturbance is sensed.
There is the documented instance of a swamp light stirring the senses, something falls on the person which delivers a shock. Something somehow felt unnatural to the person beneath the instance. All that we scientifically know?
We have documented instances of people travelling through doors in trees or rocks into fanciful worlds, these worlds are based off of hearsay.
“Faery ships” sighted in the air are documented, perhaps a person comes into personal contact with the fae, perhaps this person is carried beneath this ship. There are people able to recall boarding experiences. Perhaps regressive hypnotherapy glues a thing or two together. Who truly knows? Is each individual case not based off of hearsay? A picture is worth a thousand words.
Beneath the Later Heaven arrangement of the Eight Trigrams of the Pakua tying the concept of Yin and Yang, the trigram which ties burning wind beneath combustion begets the trigram of glowing radiance which we see clearly beneath our planet’s star, the sun. The point of the latter trigram is illumination of conscious awareness. Is the wind itself said to grant warmth and light as the Heart of a fire?
http://www.livingiching.com/hexagrams/show?id=57-wind-hexagram-57
http://www.livingiching.com/hexagrams/show?id=30-brilliance-hexagram-30
http://www.livingiching.com/
Beneath folklore, we have the concept of an “atmospheric ghost light” seen over bogs, swamps or marshes said to mislead people by resembling a flickering light or a lantern? How is a silvery object even related? Beneath Wu Hsing, what is metallic is not the same as either two trigram related, yet ties two separate trigrams. We have the concept of energy or force, be this the motion of the sun, the moon, the planets and the stars from space itself. The movement and relative positions of celestial objects might be referenced beneath the study of astrology. We have the concept of the eternal heavens beneath spirituality as the configuration of the heavens are said to reflect order on earth. There is the concept of a “higher self” which describes an eternal being who is one’s real self. We have the concept of natural celestial phenomena. What could this all mean?
Comment by Raphael — October 2, 2021 @ 2:39 am
I have read in Jim Keith or one of those conspiracy guys that some of the US govt’s mind control experiments took place in Greenwich Village in the ’60’s. JAK was there at that time but I’m not sure for how long. Could this be part of what’s going on here? Could he have been one of the ones targeted? And did he figure it out and dismiss all of this?
Comment by Steve B — October 2, 2021 @ 6:27 pm
John was in the Village around 1950, before he went to Germany. In the ’60s, he was more uptown. I don’t know if he was targeted for anything. At any rate, around 1970 he was working for HEW, consolidating several periodicals into one to cut costs. My guess is he wouldn’t have been hired if he’d been a guinea pig. But I could be wrong!
Comment by Doug — October 3, 2021 @ 8:48 am
Yes, he was in over his head! We only know about the bleach encounter from Brad Steiger; too bad we don’t have John’s own report. It’s certainly possible he was remembering a dream, or a phone call, but there’s no way to know.
Comment by Doug — October 3, 2021 @ 9:02 am
I would have wanted to ask Keel if at the end of the experience the empty bottle of bleach was still there and if it still smelled of bleach. Taking in account the photos you have shown of his apartment it almost surprises that he had bleach!
Comment by Mestiere — October 3, 2021 @ 6:39 pm
Ha! The apartment got worse as he got older. It wasn’t so bad in the ’60s: http://www.johnkeel.com/?p=55
Comment by Doug — October 3, 2021 @ 8:48 pm
John Keel suggests that victims of mad gassers are not to be regarded “crazy”.
How do we know that Betty and Barney Hill are not indeed “sleep-deprived people who later recovered seriously scrambled memories?” How would they even be liars or fantasists? Is this not all that it could have been?
We know that the human mind has the potential to case together the whole thing for itself. You have the story of Betty and Barney Hill in your hand, what does it seem like it could have been to you? “They spotted a ship floating above their car.”
They turn to hypnosis to see whether there were suppressed memories of the event. A hypnotist records the session in which Betty and Barney recall boarding a saucer-like aircraft.
Comment by Raphael — October 4, 2021 @ 11:50 pm
threatening behavior + buffonish antics + stage magic + real magic = the trickster
Comment by patty g — October 24, 2021 @ 10:59 pm
Is that John you’re talking about? Well, I don’t think he was threatening, but three out of four isn’t bad.
Comment by Doug — October 27, 2021 @ 7:34 pm